You may notice that I have all these posts showing the same basic dates and times. I’m not writing a million posts today – I’ve had a bunch of things written and not published, so you’re just seeing them for the first time. I’ll get to posting some more previously written material tomorrow.
I played a little tonight (really, not a post from my archives) before I had to do some work – I’m oncall this week. On call weeks mean no tourneys, because I can’t count on not being interrupted. It becomes a wasted buyin if I get a call.
Anyway, results tonight were solid – 138 hands across 4 tables. + 6.06
(This was going to be a quick post that ended here, however, I decided to post and analyze this hand. Warning, it gets long.)
Had 4 relatively big hands – here’s one – first hand I sat down. I played it horribly. Names have been changed to protect the innocent (and guilty).
POKERSTARS GAME #XXXXXXXX: HOLD’EM NO LIMIT ($0.01/$0.02) – 2007/03/30 – 20:43:37 (ET)
Table ‘Phocaea III’ 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: another dude ($1.67 in chips)
Seat 3: Me ($5 in chips)
Seat 4: yet another dude ($3.28 in chips)
Seat 5: Duder1983 ($8.41 in chips)
Seat 6: ATM ($2.62 in chips)
Seat 7: looseygoose ($1.55 in chips)
Seat 8: ringaling($2.28 in chips)
Seat 9: guy ($4.96 in chips)
guy: posts small blind $0.01
another dude: posts big blind $0.02
88_mustang: sits out
Me: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Me [Th Qd]
Me: checks
yet another dude: calls $0.02
Duder1983: raises $0.08 to $0.10
ATM: folds
looseygoose: folds
NLtubz49: calls $0.10
guy: folds
another dude: calls $0.08
Me: calls $0.08
yet another dude: calls $0.08
*** FLOP *** [8d Jc 9s]
another dude: checks
Me: checks
yet another dude: checks
Duder1983: bets $0.30
NLtubz49: calls $0.30
another dude: folds
Me: calls $0.30
yet another dude: folds
*** TURN *** [8d Jc 9s] [Kc]
Me: checks
Duder1983: bets $0.20
NLtubz49: calls $0.20
Me: calls $0.20
*** RIVER *** [8d Jc 9s Kc] [Jd]
Me: checks
Duder1983: bets $0.76
NLtubz49: folds
Me: calls $0.76
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Duder1983: shows [Js As] (three of a kind, Jacks)
Me: shows [Th Qd] (a straight, Nine to King)
Me collected $3.38 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $3.53 | Rake $0.15
Board [8d Jc 9s Kc Jd]
Seat 1: another dude (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: Me showed [Th Qd] and won ($3.38) with a straight, Nine to King
Seat 4: yet another dude folded on the Flop
Seat 5: Duder1983 showed [Js As] and lost with three of a kind, Jacks
Seat 6: ATM folded before Flop (didn’t bet)
Seat 7: looseygoose folded before Flop (didn’t bet)
Seat 8: ringaling(button) folded on the River
Seat 9: guy (small blind) folded before Flop
In NL, I always post out of position. The implied odds on a goofy hand can be really good, and it sets an image for me, because I’m usually pretty tight. In a limit game, I’ll usually wait for my blind. I just don’t think you can make your money back long term in limit. Anyway, flopping the nut straight your first hand of the night when you posted your blind out of position is a good way to start. Your hand is disguised. I would normally bet this out, but I figured that it wasn’t suited, and someone else had already done the raising and would continue. If the board doesn’t get scary on the river, I could get some real value out of it and go for it on the end.
If you notice, my man Duder1983 did something that should stand out to you. Following along in the hand, he raised preflop (that shouldn’t stand out). However, there’s so many callers, and I’m last, I’m going to get great implied odds for my .08 call of the raise – there’s already .50 in the pot. If I miss, I fold. After I flop it, I know Duder is going to bet it regardless, and fairly large, that’s what he does – .30 – about 3/5 of the pot. It’s nice that I get an extra caller. Regardless of what he has, and what the caller has, I’m so far ahead, I’m not really thinking about much other than not getting stuck with a bad beat on the river. Now to the interesting part. After I call, and the turn comes – a card that may or may not have helped him, he REDUCES the size of his bet from what his flop bet was. He bet .30 on the flop – 3/5 the pot. On the turn, he bets .20 – .10 less(?) and giving over 7-1? There was 1.40 in the pot by this time. He doesn’t like the over and is bluffing. He knows that he could be behind, but is afraid to show weakness and check with this large pot, but doesn’t know enough that offering 7-1 with money left behind means he’s not thinking straight. If you decide that you could be behind, but still want to take the pot, you can’t do it by offering better odds on a highly coordinated board. Who is going to fold now that wouldn’t fold before? Out of position, betting into 2 callers on a coordinated board. After the 2 calls, he catches a J on the river. What does he do now? He increases his bet, but still only bets .76 into a ~2.10 pot. He now thinks he’s ahead and wants a call. This means that he never put me on a straight, and put both callers on the flop on 2 overs, and that he thought one of us hit the K. He must have put one of us on KQ or KT, otherwise there would be a raise preflop. In reality, I don’t think he put either of us on anything. The whole sequence made no sense. What is bad about all this is while I picked up on his weakness on the turn, the board pairing on the river scared me enough to only call. I should have realized this didn’t fit with his hand based on his reduced bet on the turn. I shouldn’t have put him on 2 pair. If I had him on the over pair, I should raise him all in. Big boo boo on my part.
At the start of the hand, I kinda figured the better was on a set or an overpair (due to the preflop raise) and the caller was chasing his straight or had 2 pair and thought he was trapping. People love JT, J9s and J8s, so the caller could easily have one of these. At the time really didn’t like the J on the end, but really, I shouldn’t have cared.
Why? Bettor makes a preflop raise early – he’s not playing J9 or J8. He can have only AA-JJ, MAYBE JTs, 99 or 88, or AX. I’ve seen the preflop raiser play lots of hands, even though this is my first hand tonight, so I should know this. This guy was really weak tight for a long time, never raising, always calling. Recently, he’s been playing more recklessly, so I can’t really know what he has, but I still can’t put him on 2 pair. AJ, 99, or 88 seems a little weak for him, so really, I have to think AA-JJ, so he has an overpair or set. Here’s where my mistake is. When the K comes and he slows down with the underbet, he’s showing huge weakness or begging for a raise. A small hoover bet on the turn is a very complex play at .01/.02 after a decent flop bet and a preflop raise. No one at this level is thinking that deep that they would make that kind of play. So, I have to know he’s weak – he can only have top pair or a pair below KK. If he thinks the K beats him, I have to believe he is on QQ or AJ with QQ being most likely. KK he can’t be scared. AA, he can’t be scared. JJ, 99, 88, he can’t be scared – he just can’t be scared of a K if he has a set. AJ and QQ are the only things that fit if you’re afraid of an overcard. The other guy could have anything, but probably 2 pair or a straight draw. Now comes the board pairing on the river with a J, and a larger bet. The J clearly helps him. The thing is, it can only help one hand based on the betting – AJ (JTs just seems like to weak a hand for this guy to make a preflop raise with). AJ isn’t a great holding early, but a lot of people play it, and it’s what he has to have based on a preflop raise, his weakness on the turn, yet improvement on the river. The J could give a boat to the caller behind if he had been playing 2 pair with J9 or J8, which does fit, however HE FOLDED. The J makes no boats, case closed. My analysis completely ignores what I think he put us on, because I can’t imagine he put un on anything if he gives us 7-1 on the turn. I guess he could have put 2 callers on straight draws, but the K completes no straights, so it still doesn’t justify the turn weakness. 1/3 the pot is not a blocking bet on the river.
Without being results oriented, I really hate my call on the end. I totally botched the read on the hand. I should have read the hand correctly and gone all in, whether he calls or not, but I didn’t. It cost me a good chunk of change, too, he had me covered. It should have been an $11 pot, not a $3.70 pot, becaue I think he does call.
One other thing to get out of that hand is that when someone reduces their bet from the flop to the turn, either they are incredibly tricky and they are thinking that you are smart enough to recognize they are reducing their bet because they are weak, and are actually hitting you with a huge hoover with the nuts, or they are just a terrible player. In this case, which it is in 98% of the cases, I think we know which it is. Don’t do what he did – advertise weakness and give better odds as the hand goes along.
Does anyone think I’m off with my analysis?
BR=$80.71 PTBB/100 for .02NL over 29418 hands 17.81
I may start shorthanding my info to look like this at the end of my posts:
$80.71/~29k/17.81